1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000 This time on Chasing UFOs. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:09,000 A mysterious video of what some believe is a UFO crashing at a military base 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,000 takes the team to New Mexico in a hunt for the truth. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,000 We are being visited by a highly technologically advanced intelligence. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Who they are and why are they here? I can't answer those questions. 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 But their search for answers leads them to an even bigger question. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Is there a link between the military and UFO encounters, including the Roswell crash in 1947? 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 What the hell was that? 9 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Chasing down leads, writer Ben and James learn of a man who says he was part of a secret military unit 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 that cleared wreckage of downed UFOs. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 The occupant wasn't human. 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,000 In a race to investigate these claims, the team digs for answers in Roswell, 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 where they make an incredible discovery. 14 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Looks like it's moving. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Writer for Ben and James, I just spotted something. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Who's that? 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Look, look. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Oh my God. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Look at this. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 What we have here is not any earthly craft. 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,000 You see that? 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 There's usually a more conventional explanation for unidentified things that people are seeing if you take the time to look for them. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,000 For the first time in my life, I'm caught believing that the possibility of UFOs is all too real. 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 For me to be out here looking for evidence, this is it. This is what I live for. 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 This is what I've been dreaming about. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Oh my God! 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Wow! 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 God! 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Guys, I'm really excited about New Mexico. 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,000 I am too, because this area is really rich in UFO sightings. 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,000 We're heading to the town of Alamogordo, which is home to the Holmen Air Force Base and White Sands Missile Range. 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,000 And what's really interesting is just 100 miles east is the town of Roswell. 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,000 And that's the site of the most famous UFO incident in history. 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,000 We're here because of a video given to us by a legendary UFO enthusiast, Ted Lohman. 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,000 It shows what some believe to be a UFO crashing into the desert. 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Right here I have the supposed UFO crash at White Sands Missile Base. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 It's a white hot elliptical object. 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,000 It actually takes a bounce, gets airborne again, and then eventually... 39 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000 It explodes? 40 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Yeah. 41 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 As someone who knows the UFO community, there's two camps. 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Basically, there are some that believe that this is bona fide official footage of a crashed flying saucer. 43 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000 And there are others that believe it was just an air missile at White Sands New Mexico. 44 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,000 As someone who's investigated UFOs for nearly 20 years, I find this footage really compelling. 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 This object hits the ground and skips. Clearly, it's shaped like a disk. 46 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 The fact that it's leaving a con trail to me says, Missile, it's burning something, which is propelling it. 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,000 There are UFOs out there that people are seeing meaning that they're unidentified flying objects. 48 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 But that does not mean that they're extraterrestrial. 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 There's usually a more conventional explanation for the things that people see up in the sky, even if they can't explain them. 50 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 In this case, James thinks he sees a saucer. I see a missile. 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,000 It skips like a pancake would. 52 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Sure, but if that's attached to the thing that's actually making the bounce... 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Are missiles shaped like a pencil or are they shaped like a pancake? 54 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 In profile, they look the same. 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Yeah, but they don't bounce like a pancake. 56 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Hey, you two play nice. 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Oh, I'm just saying. 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000 I'm not convinced one way or the other. If this isn't a missile, what is it? 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Interesting question. 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 I'm very interested to meet Ted Lohman. 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Me too, maybe. 62 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 I want to find out who gave this to him and what he was told about. 63 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Ted Lohman is a self-proclaimed ufologist who says he mysteriously received the video in 1997. 64 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,000 I want to find out two things. Where he got it and what the hell we're looking at in this video. 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Well, thank you so much for meeting us. 66 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Oh, you're welcome. 67 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:26,000 I was hoping you could give us a little clarity on what the video is, where you got it, and what you think it means. 68 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 It came in the mail anonymously. 69 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,000 I can't come from the mind of the person that sent it, but I would say that it was leaked. 70 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:44,000 If you watch the clip, it comes in at about a 30-degree angle, and the camera holds it in mid-frame all the way. 71 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 It was on a tripod, like they knew it was coming. 72 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,000 It had to be set on a tripod on an angle. 73 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 So to me, it's a provocative tape. 74 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 It does something like we've never seen before. 75 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:02,000 If you were to take a stick that was shaped like a missile and you were to throw it down on the same angle on a hard surface, 76 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 it would probably twist and turn and stay close to the ground. 77 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:15,000 If you were to take a Frisbee and throw it on a hard ground, it would hit that ground and leave at basically the same angle that it came in. 78 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:25,000 If it is a rocket, find me a video tape of a rocket that shot out like Sandy. 79 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 They're not normally built to bounce. 80 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Okay. 81 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And so the question is just an alien craft. 82 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:40,000 I say that we are being visited by a highly technologically advanced intelligence. 83 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Who they are and why are they here? 84 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,000 I can't answer those questions. 85 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 He did make the analogy very similar to mine. 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 They said pancake and pencil. 87 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 I think he said, what was the word? 88 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Yeah, like a Frisbee. 89 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Frisbee or a rock skipping or a rocket, you know. 90 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,000 I really enjoyed getting Ted Lohman's perspective on this. 91 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 He clearly sides with me. 92 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,000 This thing was shaped like a disc, not a pencil or a missile. 93 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 So sorry, Ben, but until you can show me a pancake shaped missile, it's a disc. 94 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 I don't care what Ted says. 95 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 This thing looks like a missile to me. 96 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 It's not a missile. 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Look, it bounces. 98 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:26,000 I agree with Ted that this is an unidentified flying object, but I don't agree that this has to be extraterrestrial, 99 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 and I think there's a more conventional explanation for it. 100 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Will you two ever agree on this? 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Well, yeah, as soon as we get enough data. 102 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,000 I think what we need to do is get in touch with the missile expert and put this story to rest. 103 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Well, of course. 104 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,000 I'm not a missile expert. 105 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 I'm not a missile expert either. 106 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 I'm not claiming to be a missile expert. 107 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 We can all agree this is not a normal thing. 108 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 No, I agree with that. 109 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 We all agree with that. 110 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,000 To put this debate to rest once and for all, Ben and I are going to go meet with a retired lieutenant colonel 111 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,000 who tested missiles at White Sands. 112 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,000 With this guy's background, I'm hoping he can shed some light on what we're looking at. 113 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,000 While Ben and I do that, Ryder's going to go look for a good vantage point over the valley 114 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 where apparently people are seeing UFOs. 115 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 This is what we want some answers to. 116 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Okay. 117 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Our friendly debate. 118 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Yes. 119 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Coming in, hits the ground once. 120 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 What are we looking at? 121 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Doesn't look like any missile I've ever seen. 122 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Never seen a missile like that. 123 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 In all your years with the United States Air Force, you've never seen anything like it. 124 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 No. 125 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Lieutenant Colonel Mattson tested missiles for the military. 126 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,000 If he's saying this thing is not a missile, then it's not a missile. 127 00:07:52,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Coming in like that, where the tennis to bounce, I've never seen any rocket do that. 128 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 He's pointing out the same thing that I've been talking about. 129 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:08,000 This thing comes in and it skips like a stone, which indicates to me and it indicates to him 130 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 that it's not shaped like a conventional missile. 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,000 And he's basically confirming that for me. 132 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,000 What are your beliefs about unidentified aerial phenomena in the area? 133 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Unidentified flying objects. 134 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 I believe in them because I've seen them in flight. 135 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Really? 136 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 Yes. 137 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Wow. 138 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,000 What did they look like? 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 What was your experience like? 140 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Well, we were returning from a mission in Southeast Asia. 141 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:44,000 And the radar holler and said, are you holding hands, meaning you've got another bird in formation? 142 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 The answer was a negative, we're a single ship. 143 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,000 So we did a climbing right hand turn. 144 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 And when we rolled out, we looked up. 145 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,000 There was two full moons side by side. 146 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Till the right hand moon rotated about 90 degrees, became this shape and took off. 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Lieutenant Colonel Mattson is telling us he saw a flying saucer. 148 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 It's amazing. 149 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,000 And we said, well, we don't know what it is, but sure as heck it is an R. 150 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:21,000 So it was as though the object was following like this and then you saw it on edge and it just took off. 151 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,000 And in a matter of seconds it was gone. 152 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:30,000 So you're saying to me that as a Lieutenant Colonel, is it you think that flying saucers are real? 153 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Yes. 154 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,000 So James is really sold on the story, but it made me question whether or not the Lieutenant's biased. 155 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Obviously, he believes he saw an alien spacecraft up in the sky and maybe that influenced his analysis of the footage. 156 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:57,000 This is clearly a hotbed area that's had unusual activity reported for decades. 157 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Ryder found a really good vantage point. 158 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 We can go and survey the area and see if we can see anything for ourselves. 159 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Wow. 160 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Directly west is White Sands of us. 161 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 And apparently, Hall of an Air Force Base uses White Sands for testing as well. 162 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,000 So they're almost one and the same. 163 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Exactly. 164 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,000 And you know what, this is like one of the best places to get a good vantage point of the base. 165 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Alright guys, tonight is just all about trying to record or capture any of the strange activity people have reported seeing at these bases. 166 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Yeah, so, you know, Holloman's gonna be right about over there. 167 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,000 And then White Sands is the whole shooting match. 168 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000 I mean, it's miles long. 169 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 I'm gonna turn the radio scanner on and see if we can pick up anything from Holloman or from the other side. 170 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000 I'm gonna turn the radio scanner on and see if we can pick up anything from Holloman or White Sands. 171 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 Pretty time critical. Maintain radar contact. 172 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 I got him. 173 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Hey, looks like we got somebody on the runway, maybe. 174 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Yeah? 175 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000 He just lifted off. 176 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Oh yeah, there it goes. 177 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Yeah, see him? 178 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Maybe a twin prop. 179 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Come on now, let's see if I can get him. 180 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,000 You can hand now. 181 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:25,000 In the air, that absolutely looks like a plane. Really no mistaking that as something unidentified. If he kept eyes on it. 182 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:30,000 See, look, look, look, look, look. As the angle changes, it would seem like lights are appearing and disappearing. 183 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,000 I mean, this is why I think so many UFO sightings are just people who aren't familiar with looking in air. 184 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Shh, they're talking about us. 185 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 Oh my God. 186 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Oh my God. 187 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Oh my God. 188 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Alright, this is as good a spot as any. 189 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,000 I'm going to turn the radio scanner on and see if we can pick up anything from Holloman or White Sands. 190 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I got him. 191 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Shh, they're talking about us. 192 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Oh my God. 193 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Oh my God. 194 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Someone was communicating that they were seeing something up here. 195 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 And then it went dead. 196 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Hmm. 197 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Yeah, like they don't know we're here. 198 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,000 It's like going to Area 51 and thinking they're not detecting you and sitting on the perimeter of the base. 199 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Yeah, we're going to need to get higher up. 200 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,000 I'm having a hard time picking out the base structure from here. 201 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Yeah, higher vantage point would definitely give us better access to the airspace above the base. 202 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Was a traffic control transmission we overheard just a coincidence or was someone from one of those military bases tracking us? 203 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Either way, we need to continue on because we are just barely scratching the surface of this New Mexico investigation. 204 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:26,000 You know, I really think that we need to track down somebody who's got experience not only in the military, but working with, you know, objects like this. 205 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:34,000 We came down here looking for answers on this video that some say is a UFO crashing into a New Mexico Air Force Base. 206 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 D. Graggs worked at Holloman Air Force Base for 29 years. 207 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 If anyone knows what's going on with the military out here, it's him. 208 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Can you describe a little bit about your experience at Holloman? 209 00:13:50,000 --> 00:14:03,000 I was a senior analyst and most of my responsibility was to analyze how well the ejection seats and the crew modules worked to see if the crew would be injured, killed, or if they would be safe. 210 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,000 When you were there, did you hear any talk about a landing at Holloman Air Force Base for a flying saucer? 211 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,000 The one I know about occurred in February 1955. 212 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:26,000 President Eisenhower flew from Washington to Holloman. He landed on the North-South runway. 213 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,000 There were two saucers. One was about 200 feet in front of Air Force One. 214 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 The other one stayed about 300 feet up. 215 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,000 There was a ramp. It came out of the UFO. 216 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:47,000 Eisenhower walked up the ramp, shook hands with somebody, and then went inside, and he was inside for about 45 minutes. 217 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Now, do you know that what you're saying sounds absolutely nuts? 218 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 Does it really? 219 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 It does. No offense. I want you to take offense. 220 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 I never take offense. 221 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 I'm not trying to attack you. I'm a firm believer that UFOs are real. 222 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 I understand. 223 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,000 I'm just saying that. That's just a little bit like, whoa, you know what I mean? 224 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:19,000 You're not going to get me to believe that the government's going to allow the leader of the free world to waltz by himself, unescorted, onto an alien spacecraft that, by all accounts, is spewing radiation, as people have described. 225 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 It just doesn't make any sense. 226 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Can you tell us where Holloman Air Force Base is? 227 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Holloman Air Force Base is just a little bit south of us. 228 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Do you want to tell us that people still report seeing these strange objects around Holloman and White Sands to this day? 229 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Which is great, because that's exactly what we're here looking for. 230 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000 We're heading up into the mountains so that we can get eyes on these military bases. 231 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Because I want to see whatever these locals say that they're seeing around here. 232 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000 This is going to be the best vantage point. 233 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Yeah, look at the view just from here. 234 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 The things we do for vantage points. 235 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Get really steep through here. 236 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Oh, no. 237 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Watch out for the thorny plants. 238 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Major cactus over here. 239 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 This is not friendly terrain right now. 240 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Hey guys, we're clearing here off to our left. 241 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,000 Alright. 242 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 This looks good. 243 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Nice vantage. 244 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Look at that view. 245 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 Well, I'm going to start setting up the telescope with the video camera. 246 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,000 We'll start getting that trained on the skies above Holloman. 247 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Ben, you've got the video camera. 248 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Yep. 249 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 James, why don't we give you the radio scanner. 250 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,000 You could be listening for any chatter coming from the base. 251 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Holloman is dead in the head of us, right? 252 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 Yep. 253 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Big dark area. 254 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000 Alright, well, I can stay here and man this if you guys want to head up. 255 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Yeah. 256 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Yeah, that story about Eisenhower and UFOs at Holloman. 257 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,000 This guy in the mid-80s who worked for the Air Force's archive department. 258 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Yeah. 259 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Who claimed he actually saw the filmed footage taken at Holloman Air Force Base 260 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 on the landing of a flying saucer. 261 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 And it sounds outrageous, but the interesting thing is that this guy 262 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,000 who described what this footage looked like was killed in a car crash with him and his wife. 263 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 So basically the only known person that saw the footage is now dead. 264 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Wow. 265 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 We're not going to go any farther this way. 266 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 The world drops off. 267 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Drop off there. 268 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Mother Nature took a giant bite out of this mountain. 269 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Wow. 270 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Yeah, let's go up this way. 271 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Pretty overcast out. 272 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Not exactly the greatest sky watching. 273 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,000 I haven't seen anything that even resembles strange lights. 274 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Quiet over the base. 275 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Rider for Ben and James. 276 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Go ahead. 277 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Hey guys, I just wanted to check in and let you know that I have eyes on the Holloman runway. 278 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:38,000 And I did some scouting around with the scope and nothing out of the ordinary just yet. 279 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000 Copy that, Rider. 280 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000 We're about halfway up in a much better vantage on our way to an even better vantage. 281 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 All right, well, with the view up there, let me know what you guys see. 282 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,000 All right, we'll check in later. 283 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000 Over and out. 284 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Copy that. 285 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 Nothing going on at the base right now. 286 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,000 What the f*** was that? 287 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 F***. 288 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 What the f*** was that? 289 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Hold on. 290 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Rider for Ben and James. 291 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000 I just spotted something. 292 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 A light in the sky came out of nowhere. 293 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 I'm going to try to get a better vantage point. 294 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Ow. 295 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 Rider, can we get over? 296 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 F***, Rider. 297 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,000 Meet me at the airport. 298 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,000 F***. 299 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Sorry, how about this way? 300 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000 What the f*** was that? 301 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 What the hell was that? 302 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Rider for Ben and James. 303 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 I just spotted something. 304 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 It's moving around the hill over here. 305 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,000 I'm going to try to get a vantage. 306 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000 I can see her going down the hill. 307 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Ryder, come in, over. 308 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Ryder. 309 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Ryder, be careful. 310 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Oh, f***. 311 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Ryder, where are you? 312 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Ryder, it's Ben and James. Are you okay? Over. 313 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 That's not good. Did she fall? 314 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000 I don't know. 315 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Ryder, come in, over. 316 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Hey, guys. I just tried to chase what I saw. 317 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Get a better vantage point. 318 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 It disappeared right behind this mountain that's just south of us. 319 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 No view of it at all. 320 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 I actually almost stumbled off this ledge over here. 321 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 What did it look like, over? 322 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 It was like an orange glowing light. 323 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Thought it was a plane at first. 324 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000 It looked again. The thing was moving way, way too fast to be a plane. 325 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Unfortunately, I didn't have time to get the telephone. 326 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,000 So I thought I'd book after it at least get better eyes on it. 327 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 But no luck. 328 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Unfortunately, whatever I saw has gone now. 329 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000 We've got a mountain blocking anything from the south, 330 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000 so it would take hours to climb. 331 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000 Not going to happen tonight. Over. 332 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Don't worry. I'll be over here picking thorns and cactus needles 333 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 out of my entire body. 334 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Copy. 335 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Ah. 336 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:32,000 That's smart. That's smart. 337 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,000 After what I saw last night, 338 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:05,000 I'm starting to buy into this connection between UFOs and the military bases around here. 339 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,000 So we're heading into Roswell to speak with an ex-military official 340 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,000 who says he has first-hand knowledge about this connection. 341 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,000 So there is this guy, Sergeant Clifford Stone, that lives in Roswell. 342 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:24,000 He apparently was involved with the recovery of several crashed flying saucers 343 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 and alien bodies. 344 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Going in to meet Clifford Stone, I'm excited because this is a man 345 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,000 with a military background who claims to have been on a physical recovery team. 346 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,000 So this is the guy whose eyes I want to be viewing through 347 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,000 when thinking about what sort of physical investigation we want to do. 348 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Can you tell us a little bit about your background in the military? 349 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 I served 22 and a half years in the United States Army. 350 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 During that time, I got training in law enforcement, 351 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 and I also got training in chemical, radiological, and biological warfare. 352 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,000 During the 22 and a half years, there were approximately 12 instances 353 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 in which I was involved in recoveries. 354 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 And you're not talking about terrestrial craft, you're actually talking about... 355 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:15,000 I'm talking about craft that did not originate on this planet. 356 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,000 The first time I went out on a recovery, 357 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,000 I was told to pick up my radiological equipment 358 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 because we had a Soviet craft that crashed. 359 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,000 It may have an atomic device on it. 360 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,000 When you'd approach a site, then what did the scene look like? 361 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Well, at that point, all I see is the floodlights. 362 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,000 And I'm trying to figure out what the craft is. 363 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,000 One guy, which I always called the Colonel, he came up and said, 364 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 you're elected, you're going. 365 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Is there anybody else around the craft? 366 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Oh, yeah, armed guards around the craft, but they're not doing anything. 367 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 I'd say it was about, like, 30 foot in diameter. 368 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000 It looked like some type of metallic dog ray. 369 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000 And I looked out there and I saw what I saw, and I said, 370 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000 sir, what the hell is that? 371 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 That's not a Soviet aircraft. 372 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,000 He says, you're not being paid to ask questions. 373 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 You do the mission. 374 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,000 They told me to go toward the craft by yourself. 375 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,000 I got to the burn market. 376 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:26,000 Off to the side, there was, like, kidney-shaped hatch open. 377 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,000 And the occupant was lying outside the hatch. 378 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000 He appeared to be dead. 379 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:42,000 And I knew that that wasn't human. 380 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Did you ever have it confirmed? 381 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,000 They don't confirm that. 382 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000 It seems really emotional for you. 383 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,000 What are the feelings that you feel just by telling this again? 384 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:03,000 You relive it in your mind. You see it. 385 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Do you believe that an extraterrestrial craft crashed at Roswell? 386 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000 No, ma'am, I know an extraterrestrial craft. 387 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000 It crashed here at Roswell. 388 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,000 I know that for a fact. 389 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:25,000 It hit, tried to take back off again, and landed about four miles away. 390 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,000 You know, it's interesting, I'd make the connection, 391 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,000 but you know the video that we have where the object hits the ground? 392 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,000 It impacts and then flies back off again? 393 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,000 I don't know what he's describing. 394 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000 Presuming what Clifford Stone's saying is true, 395 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000 there's got to be evidence left from any of these recovery operations, 396 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000 either of the impact itself of whatever it was, 397 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,000 or of the operation itself, which was extensive. 398 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,000 As a geologist, you can survey an area 399 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,000 and know where the most likely places where debris would be. 400 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:17,000 You can know where nature will tend to collect things. 401 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000 So we're going to go meet this geologist, Frank Kimbler, 402 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000 who's gone out to the alleged Roswell crash site 403 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 and has done a geological survey 404 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,000 and has pulled out what he thinks may be the first scientific evidence 405 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 of extraterrestrial debris. 406 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Frank? 407 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000 I can't believe we're here. 408 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000 So this is the spot? 409 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000 Absolutely. If you take a look out that way, 410 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,000 and then almost all the way down towards the windmill 411 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,000 is the extent of the debris field, and then it's several hundred yards wide. 412 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000 This exact location is something I've talked about 413 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 and I've researched for years. 414 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,000 For me to be standing to where I believe an alien spaceship crashed 415 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000 in 1947 is unbelievably exciting. 416 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,000 Holy s***, look at that. 417 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,000 See, here we are. 418 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 It's right there. 419 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Okay, how much is that? 420 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Take a look out that way. 421 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Holy s***, look at that. 422 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 Look at that. 423 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,000 For me to be standing to where I believe an alien spaceship crashed 424 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000 back in 1947 is unbelievably exciting. 425 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000 So Frank, why don't you tell us a little bit about the research you did 426 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 and what you ultimately found? 427 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Well, when I first moved out to Roswell, 428 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000 I went down to the International UFO Museum 429 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000 and I started going through the museum and everything. 430 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000 There's no physical evidence. 431 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Then I said I need to put some science behind this 432 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 and use some of my geology and see what I can find 433 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000 and nobody wanted to tell me where the location was. 434 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000 And what exactly do you mean by location? 435 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 There's this debris field and it's out by the windmill 436 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,000 and that was what I honed in for. 437 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000 That's what I was trying to find. 438 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,000 So I had to do some research to find that. 439 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,000 After I found the location, I started pulling out the aerial photographs 440 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 and I noticed this area right here 441 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,000 and it shows up as kind of a squared off burn area, which is unusual 442 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,000 because they usually don't square off. 443 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 So they kind of curved. 444 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,000 And what struck me unique was the fact that the description of the debris field 445 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,000 was that it was several hundred yards wide and it was three-quarters of a mile long 446 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,000 and I'm going, oh my gosh, and it just so happens that this thing is sitting smack dab in the middle 447 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000 of what the description was. 448 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000 So what would be the purpose of burning an area like this? 449 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Destroy evidence. 450 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 So you mean the equivalent of like throwing bleach on a crime scene? 451 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000 That's right. And I started looking at this and I'm going, 452 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000 I'm going to center my hunting area kind of like in the center of that 453 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,000 and that's what I did. 454 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000 I drove out there with a metal detector, a good one. 455 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,000 I wanted to look at the low areas where the runoff was, typical geology things 456 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:17,000 and as the sun was going down in an anthill, there was this shiny little piece of metal. 457 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000 I about had a heart attack 458 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000 and this is the material I found. 459 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Oh wow. 460 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 Some of them are very hard, some of them are a little bit soft, 461 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,000 so there might be two or three different kinds of metallic things that are out there. 462 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:42,000 If you've ever seen like aluminum cans out in the bonis, aluminum cans don't look like this. 463 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Frank just pulled out little pieces of metal, which could very likely be from a spaceship, 464 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,000 crashed at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. 465 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000 What if what this guy has is from another world? 466 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000 The implications of that are earth shattering. 467 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,000 They might have got the big stuff, but that tiny little stuff gets wedged down in the cracks 468 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:09,000 and I think in any UFO crash site, any place in the world that people say they've cleaned it up 469 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,000 and there's nothing there, I think it's a bunch of baloney. 470 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:19,000 Frank has used solid field science to help him find what may be pieces of metal debris. 471 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:25,000 However, before I'm going to jump to any conclusions about whether or not the metal is terrestrial 472 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 or extraterrestrial in nature, we've got to get more data. 473 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,000 We've got to do more analysis on more of those fragments to see if it's consistent. 474 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000 Is the snow going to hinder us at all? 475 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,000 Well, it certainly impedes lying in the site. 476 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,000 It's good it's on a slope, got a natural grade. 477 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 Okay, so Frank this is? 478 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Is ground zero? 479 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000 You're in it. 480 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 This is where it hit right here. 481 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 It probably came in like this and then skipped. 482 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 So this is the point of impact right here? 483 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Yeah, right here near the top of the hill and right down through the valley. 484 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,000 While there's been decades of speculation as to what exactly crashed at Roswell in Mexico, 485 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,000 the one thing that everyone agrees on is that there was a debris field from something that impacted the site, 486 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000 skipped and kept going and eventually crashed at a different location. 487 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Very similar to the object we saw crashing in the video at White Sands. 488 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Where was the last place that you found some of the debris? 489 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,000 Just to the right of the base of the hill and then there was some of it that was up this way as well. 490 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000 So this is where we're in the middle of where we found this. 491 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000 So what do you think, Ben? 492 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,000 I'd say we set up our survey grid and found out as far as we can get. 493 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000 So the runoff would take some of the debris, wash it down here. 494 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Send it on down with time. 495 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Well, we're losing daylight so why don't we drop our gear and start surveying? 496 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Let's get the survey started. 497 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Yeah. 498 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,000 Alright, all metal because we don't know what these things are made of. 499 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Right now we're hitting near a lot of metal obviously because of our gear somewhere on this area right here. 500 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,000 Okay, while they're getting the area surveyed, let's head up to the latest hotspot. 501 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000 How's it going over there, James? 502 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,000 I could stay out here for weeks because I know there's debris out here. 503 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000 I seriously feel like a prospector prospecting for gold right now. 504 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,000 Or I feel like a 65 year old man on the beach in my speedo. 505 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000 This is like my Disneyland, I swear to you. 506 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,000 The fact that we have two geologists out here with us to help guide us through the process 507 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:46,000 and the fact that Frank has already found debris is just so exciting to me. 508 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Wow, got something? 509 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000 Yeah, you do. 510 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000 I got something! 511 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000 But I got something! 512 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000 Yeah, I got something! 513 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000 You can see it out there? 514 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Kind of, it's like really small. 515 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000 It's very weird. 516 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Wow, got something? 517 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Yeah, you do. 518 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000 What do you got? What do you got? 519 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000 I don't know, but I got something! 520 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Ha ha! Come on over! 521 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Listen. 522 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000 There's something there. 523 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 Absolutely. 524 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,000 We don't know what it is, but I got a solid head. 525 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000 It's right there. 526 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 And we have no idea what it is. 527 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000 Look at that. It's just there. 528 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000 It could be something from a debris from the crash. 529 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 It could be debris from the crash. 530 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 It could be something from a debris from the crash. 531 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 It could be debris from the military. 532 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000 From the military that were cleaning up the craft. 533 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000 I mean, you know, we're out here at the crash site, 534 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000 and I found something. 535 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 I don't know what it is yet, but we're going to find out. 536 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000 It's in there pretty good. 537 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000 So let's see if you can slide it out. 538 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000 It's buried, huh? 539 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Oh, it's a lot bigger than we anticipated. 540 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Oh, yeah. 541 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 Careful. 542 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000 Don't cut yourself. 543 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Wait, it's starting to... 544 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Look at that. 545 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Oh. 546 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Look at that. What is that? 547 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000 It's very exciting that I found anything. 548 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000 I mean, we're in the middle of nowhere, right? 549 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,000 I mean, even if it was just something that the military left, 550 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 that in itself is exciting. 551 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,000 It's metallic. It looks like rusty metal. 552 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,000 But this isn't a... this isn't a coke can. 553 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000 This isn't, you know... 554 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Is it possible that that's something left over from the military 555 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000 from 1947 that they were here? 556 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 I mean, is it possible it's that old? 557 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 Absolutely. I doubt if it was when blown out here. 558 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000 I don't care how strong your dust devil. 559 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 You're not going to send this 100 miles. 560 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,000 What do you think it is, Ben? 561 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Oh, heck, I don't... 562 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000 On its face, it's evident something happened here. 563 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000 I mean, it's confirmatory. I mean, something put this here. 564 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000 That's right. It's a piece of metal from somebody. 565 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000 And the kickers were on top of a hill. 566 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Things don't roll uphill. 567 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000 So the fact that this is on top of the hill, 568 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000 some things, some ones, some group, 569 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000 some activity had to come up on top of this 570 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000 and deposit it. 571 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Right? 572 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Absolutely. I agree with that 100%. 573 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000 Well, let's try to collect as much evidence as we can with it on site 574 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 and move on. 575 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Well, we found one. 576 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000 Yeah. If we're picking up stuff up here, 577 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000 there's gotta be more out here. 578 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,000 It feels great. 579 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000 I'm sorry, but it does. 580 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 You get that moment where it's like, 581 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,000 all right, this is really exciting. I don't want to get too excited. 582 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,000 But just the fact that you found something man-made 583 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000 out in the middle of nowhere, that in itself was exciting. 584 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000 Hey, thanks, Frank. 585 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,000 I'm not saying that we're going to be doing anything late, 586 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 and Frank has to leave, but we're at the Roswell crash site. 587 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000 We can't just up and leave in the middle of an investigation. 588 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000 So if it takes all night, we're going to stay here 589 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000 to try to find any clue that can help us explain 590 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000 what happened here in 1947. 591 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000 MUSIC 592 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000 MUSIC 593 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000 MUSIC 594 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,000 MUSIC 595 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,000 MUSIC 596 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000 MUSIC 597 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000 MUSIC 598 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000 MUSIC 599 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 As a geologist, where do you think the debris 600 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 would most likely be if there were some debris left? 601 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000 The nature's going to run it down to the lowest point. 602 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000 The lowest point? So you're talking about down in here? 603 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Yeah. 604 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000 Right down against the little ridge here. 605 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000 Right down into the little valley. 606 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000 All right, let's head down. 607 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000 MUSIC 608 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,000 MUSIC 609 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000 MUSIC 610 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,000 MUSIC 611 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000 MUSIC 612 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Right here. 613 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Right here. 614 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 Let's check it out. 615 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000 This is what Frank Kimbler said. 616 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000 He said that he went with ant hills and animal thrones. 617 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000 Painting the ontologists use it all the time. 618 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000 Look at that curved thing right there. 619 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Yeah. 620 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,000 Is that a stick? 621 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Well, it's actually a little bone fragment. 622 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000 See? That's what I'm talking about. 623 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 So these ants will pick up low-density stuff, 624 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000 and they'll bring it all here. 625 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000 What do they use it for? 626 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 To build up these hills. 627 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000 So instead of heavier little pebbles, 628 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000 they'll build up these hills. 629 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,000 So instead of heavier little pebbles, 630 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000 they'll use bones 631 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,000 or little flakes of light metal. 632 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000 That's so cool. 633 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000 And this would be a great thing to sieve. 634 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,000 Do you want me to get the sifter out? 635 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Yeah. 636 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000 I mean, this is our most lightly spot, you guys, right? 637 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Well, let the ants do the work for you. 638 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000 There's two in here. 639 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 Cool. Great. 640 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000 Yeah, the ground's frozen. 641 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000 MUSIC 642 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000 So we're really, really only going to get the surface stuff. 643 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,000 And we'll still just look for something metallic. 644 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Here, James, why don't you hold this? 645 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000 I'm going to kind of sweep the area a little bit more 646 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000 with the metal detector. 647 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000 Okay. 648 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000 So you guys, don't stop what you're doing. 649 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Dividing labor. 650 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 Yeah. Dividing conquer. 651 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000 That's right. 652 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000 There's a... 653 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 a piece right there. 654 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000 That's a rock. 655 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000 It is? 656 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Yeah. 657 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000 I see what you mean, though. 658 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,000 Yeah, it's got a luster. 659 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Yeah, it does. 660 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 But that's geological to me. 661 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 There are minerals that look like that. 662 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 Is this good? 663 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000 MUSIC 664 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 Ah! 665 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Yeah. 666 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000 MUSIC 667 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000 A little piece. 668 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,000 What you got? 669 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000 Oh, yeah, this rock. 670 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000 It is rock, though. 671 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,000 Hey, James. 672 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Yeah. 673 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000 You're kind of a pro at this metal detector. 674 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Will you come over here? 675 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Yeah. 676 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Yeah, I don't see anything here but rock and bone. 677 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Is this just the ice going on? 678 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,000 It could be the ice, watch. 679 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,000 If I remove this ice, I'm going to try to move this piece. 680 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000 I don't see if he still gets the reins. 681 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,000 You guys got something over there? 682 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,000 Maybe. 683 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000 It's really strange. 684 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000 MUSIC 685 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000 It could be something. 686 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Pretty solid earth. 687 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Yeah. 688 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Look at this. 689 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000 MUSIC 690 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000 Try right there. 691 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000 MUSIC 692 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000 I mean, I tell you, if I had it my way, 693 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000 I'd spend six months out here every day, 694 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000 every day, because you know there's something out here. 695 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000 Yeah. 696 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,000 Whoa, look at that. 697 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000 Look at this, you guys. 698 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000 What? 699 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000 What? 700 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000 Look. 701 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,000 Shut up. 702 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000 Look. 703 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000 That's a piece of metal. 704 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Shut up. 705 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Look at it. 706 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 This is not rusty like the other stuff. 707 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000 Look at this. 708 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000 MUSIC 709 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,000 There goes two slow-moving UFOs. 710 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,000 Oh, they just really brought in the sky. 711 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000 They're just too nice and rough. 712 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,000 We see you. 713 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000 Thank you, my friends. 714 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000 MUSIC 715 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000 MUSIC 716 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000 Could be something. 717 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000 MUSIC 718 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000 Whoa, look at that. 719 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000 Look at this, you guys. 720 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000 What? 721 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,000 What? 722 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000 Look. 723 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,000 Shut up. 724 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Look. 725 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 That's a piece of metal. 726 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000 Shut up. 727 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000 Look at it. 728 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,000 It's rusty like the other stuff. 729 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Look at this. 730 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000 Holy ****. 731 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 Found something. 732 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,000 ****, I can't believe that. 733 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000 We found something, you guys. 734 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000 That's a different class of object 735 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000 than the other things we found. 736 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000 It certainly is, isn't it? 737 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Yep. 738 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,000 This is so cool. 739 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000 This has been in the ground for a while, right? 740 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000 Come on. 741 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000 The suspense, man. 742 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000 I mean, come on. 743 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000 What does this look like to you? 744 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000 I don't know. 745 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,000 It's a piece of metal so far. 746 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000 How far down is this, you guys? 747 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,000 I'm going down. 748 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000 Oh, my God. 749 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000 Whoa. 750 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000 Oh, my God. 751 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000 It's a military button. 752 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000 Look. 753 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000 Look. 754 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000 Look. 755 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000 Holy ****. 756 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000 Is that Air Force? 757 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000 That's Wienes on the top. 758 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000 Look, it's stars. 759 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 This is a very identifiable symbol. 760 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,000 You guys, this is consistent with what I heard. 761 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000 They had the soldiers on hands and knees. 762 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000 And they were literally coming through this entire area. 763 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000 So they could have easily lost buttons. 764 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000 Oh, yeah. 765 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 How else do you just randomly lose a button? 766 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 You're not just walking around. 767 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000 You're walking up, right? 768 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000 This is like, this gives me chills fighting this. 769 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000 This says not just people were here, 770 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000 but military was here. 771 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000 This is like from a coat or a jacket. 772 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000 Yeah. 773 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 It says a symbol on it so you can identify it. 774 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000 We can identify it. 775 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000 That's why I'm so excited. 776 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000 Does that mean we can know what regiment or what... 777 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000 Yes, that's their unique per unit. 778 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,000 Wow. 779 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000 I'm no button expert. 780 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000 Looks like military. 781 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000 Looks like military. 782 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000 Yeah, it's got, yeah, it looks like Air Force. 783 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000 You never know what you're going to find. 784 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,000 I'm blown away. 785 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000 I'll say that. 786 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000 Don't ever underestimate the night investigation. 787 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,000 We headed home to analyze the most extraordinary pieces of evidence from New Mexico. 788 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000 And the results even had us surprised. 789 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,000 Our missile expert told us that in his opinion, this is not a missile. 790 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000 It looks like any missile I've ever seen. 791 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,000 So maybe the theory is right. 792 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000 Maybe this is a UFO. 793 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,000 This is what I've been saying the whole time. 794 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000 It looks like a disc. 795 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,000 It behaves like a disc. 796 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,000 And it skips like a disc. 797 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,000 Okay? 798 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,000 This is not a missile. 799 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,000 From everything we've seen and heard during this investigation, 800 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,000 I do believe that things are crashing around New Mexico Air Force bases. 801 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,000 Are they alien craft? 802 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000 I can't say. 803 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,000 But I do believe that the military is going to great lengths to cover this all up. 804 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,000 This is the piece of metal that James found at the Roswell crash site. 805 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,000 I got something! 806 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000 It's the metal under magnification. 807 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,000 We had analyzed, unfortunately, didn't turn anything up out of the ordinary. 808 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 It looks like it was just common tin. 809 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,000 The fact that it was out there indicates at least a presence of some sort of activity, 810 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000 dating back probably 40, 50, 60 years. 811 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,000 While the piece of metal that I found didn't turn out to be extraterrestrial in origin, 812 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000 I'm convinced through all my research, 813 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,000 whatever crashed there was not of this Earth. 814 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000 Let me pull up this right here. 815 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,000 Clear as day, that's the button that we found at the Roswell crash site. 816 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:13,000 This is an official document that states that our button was used by the Air Force. 817 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000 It was manufactured from 1947 to 1949. 818 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:22,000 It looked like there were two characters, like yeah, this, this and that, separating the stars. 819 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:29,000 Before we conducted this investigation, I wasn't necessarily convinced that anything at all had really happened at Roswell. 820 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,000 This is like from a coat or a jacket. 821 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,000 Yeah, this says not just people were here, but the military was here. 822 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:44,000 Certainly now, after finding a button from an Air Force personnel coat, I think something happened there. 823 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,000 And for me to go from not sure that anything happened to something happened, 824 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:56,000 it was quite a journey for me, but that doesn't mean it had to be aliens.